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Re this edit by Fred Zepelin reinstating detail to the result parameter. MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE tells us that less is best - ie apply the KISS principle. This degree of detail being added against the result parameter is contrary to this. The infobox is unsuited for this degree of detail. It is best left to prose in the lead. The parameter is also for the immediate outcome, not what might have eventually happened. Some of the detail added is outside the immediate outcome. Deaths, though not by name are captured elsewhere in the infobox. The names are detail. The arrest of the two men is the result. This is the immediate outcome simply summarised in a way consistent with the guidance at MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with going back to your version if anyone else agrees with you on what the result parameter should contain. But I don't think that the only "result" was the arrests. The other results that were in there were surely as noteworthy as (if not more than!) the arrests. Fred Zepelin (talk) 20:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The statement that it was a "surveillance operation" and that they "had a warrant" in order to be there are misleading. The warrant was found to be invalid, meaning that the officers were trespassing, and they were armed and dressed in camouflaged, and instead of following normal protocol for serving a warrant, decided to engage in these acts of trespassing on the Walker's property. This information should be front and center in the article, as it sets the stage for what happened and the event's aftermath.
I know this is a month-old comment, but I didn't see it here, because the IP dragged it over to my Talk page. I'll copy/paste my response about their sources here, just so folks understand what was being asked:
Glover is not an expert. Even his own "resume" says he's an Army vet and contractor. That does not make him an "expert" on this topic, despite his self-aggrandizing. I also love that he claims he has a Bachelors in "Homeland Security" with no university named. Real piece of work there.
The PBS cite is not a valid source for the claim the warrant was invalid. Because it doesn't mention that at all.
And no, the Seattle Times just says that Weaver's lawyers claim the warrant was invalid, not that it factually is. You cannot simply take your personal opinion that the agents were on the property illegally and force it into the article.
You've misrepresented sources to try and push an agenda. You can attempt to make your arguments on the article Talk page, to see if you can persuade anyone else, but if you attempt to force it into the article again I will have to pursue protection.
This is the first time I see this explanation of the acronym "ZOG". Usually, it means "Zionist Occupied Government", meaning that the zionists exert pervasive control over many members and decisions of a government, or, as one can see in the current US administration, are self-proclaimed zionists. It also means that the government is not primarily acting in the interest of the state it's the government of, but instead puts the interests of Israel first. 2A01:4B00:AD1F:2D00:AB4:D2FF:FECF:66B0 (talk) 17:00, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is no use of the acronym ZOG in the article.
The phrase "Zionist Organized Government" is found U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE REPORT OF THE RUBY RIDGE TASK FORCE,and was quoted as used in July 1989 conversations between Randy Weaver and ATF informant "Kenneth Fadeley" (pseudonym). Could have been a phrase limited by location, time, & users. --Naaman Brown (talk) 00:45, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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